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what senator mcconnell did yesterday, laugh at the obama proposal. second, refuse to negotiate with obama, seriously. in other words, essentially republicans have gotta walk away, it is up to obama to make a serious proposal. instead of dealing with a joke. they also need to tell secretary tax cheat geithner in the middle of this in the most direct way in proposal is dead on arrival and he can save time and energy next time by not submitting an obama plan like this to republicans. bottom line is this, it is not serious. they should have no interest, republicans in playing stupid games with the administration. third, republicans need to shine a bright light on the obama proposal to ensure the american people know how insane and ludicrous this is. fourth, republicans need to use the opportunity to pass their own agenda they need to show they are not obstructionists they themselves have a positive, forward-looking agenda they are proud of, eager to take to the country. republicans need to make the case morning, noon and night, that it is obama who seems absolutely determined, for
in it. we're used to obama negotiating from a position of compromise first. this is clearly -- >> that's just not true. that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> no, that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> i've been hearing since the election, oh, the president has to be tougher this time. where was everybody the first two years of his presidency where he shoved his health care plan down republicans' throat? he made sure he got it without a single vote. is that compromise? >> i don't want to get sidetracked -- i could, i guess. with respect to this, though, it seems pretty clear to me that what we're going to end up have happening here is that republicans now will come back and say one of two things. one, rip all the stimulus out of this proposal, and that includes mortgage relief, the $50 billion that you talked about. that includes all the additional spending in there. and then we can start talking. or two, let's get that $1.6 trillion in tax hikes down closer to $800 billion in tax hikes. and either way, boehner gets to go back to his caucus and say, i scored ver
negotiations rewind to 2011 when boehner and president obama came within inches of a grand bargain, a deal that would have forced both democrats and republicans to eat their vegetables. in its comprehensive analysis of what happens during the secret negotiations, matt bai wrote -- the deal unraveled in large part because speaker boehner could not get his unruly caucus to go along with raising new revenue. fast forward to this year and republicans now think that deal, the one they walked away from, sounds pretty good. they're using it as a basis for their current proposal. only problem. boehner had his chance. president obama now thinks he has the upper hand. according to the "washington post's" ezra klein, quote -- >> joining us now representative chris van hollen of maryland, ranking member of the house budget committee. great to have you on the program. >> great to be with you, alex. >> let's talk a little bit about 2011 versus 2012, which is to say, the republican party is a very different negotiating position than they were last year and as ezra outlines, it sounds like john boehner wo
. president obama in the negotiation drew a line he had yet to draw. >> we're going to have to sew the rates on the 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get deal without it. >> been no deals of this mag magnitude made in congress and forced on reluctant president. i hope the president would turn off the campaign, congratulations, you had a great victory, and let's get serious about dealing with this deficit and debt here at the end of the year. >> back to the president's comments. he had yet before to explicitly say rates had to go up on those earning $250,000 or more. that was the white house position. that is their condition now for a deal. it's in the face of what republicans want saying no rate increases; however, a little wiggle room, and the president didn't rule out a smaller rate increase than he's calling for could be a part of a final product if they get to that stage. lizly thank you very much, rich edson. david: we have a governor who says his state takes the right action to prevent falling off its own fiscal cliff and the president can learn a lot. liz: joining us now is th
is one of many geithnerreasury secretary tim geithner, mr. obama's lead with t negotiator, will have meetings e bowlesth top congressional thisrs. othpson bowles met with all the ue.yers at both ends of 'mnnsylvania avenue. >> i'm not more optimistic or less optimistic. puthopeful but don't put me e nearnywhere near the optimistic category. tove got a long way to go and a likefew days to get it done. >> lindsey graham from south carolina have offered to break a revenueax increase pledge and ntise revenue as part of a deal but graham now is pulling back until the president offers ntitlement reform. a i've not seen one deal from country downouse that deal with medicare, medicaid and social security which are all going to fail and take this country down the road of grief. and until i hear something from the white house on that, i'm not going to say another thing on revenue. >> mr. obama will meet with his v vanquished republican rival, mitt romney. it's been several weeks, after all, since the election night when president obama vowed to ph.t with mitt romney. ga major garret, thank you
and negotiations are about deficit reduction. president obama thinks they're about fairness. most americans, solid majority, want to see taxes raised on those upper income americans, even though only 19% think it will have much of an impact on deficits. it's not about the fiscal crisis. it's about fairness in the minds of most americans. president obama understands that and republicans don't. >> is that because in your polling day, i always thought that people favored spending reduction and favored smaller government. this may be a mistake that the gop has not emphasized spending cuts. >> they certainly do. most people -- two out of three people want to see a deal that includes both tax hikes and spending cuts. they want to see more spending cuts, but they don't expect spending cuts to come out of this no matter what happens. in fact, the one thing that most people in the middle class believe is that regardless of whether we go over the fiscal cliff or whether a deal is reached to avert that, middle class taxes are going up, and so is spending. so there's a lot of cynicism in this process. >> real
lack of business integrity." tomorrow, president obama will send his top negotiators to meet tith congressional leaders. they have only weeks now to head off a big tax increase for most americans. the income tax rates will jump automatically january 1. it will be such a shock to the system that it has been called the fiscal cliff. our coverage starts on the white house lawn tonight with major garrett. major. >> reporter: scott, the saesident said for the first time, there is a two-step process to averting the fiscal cliff. republicans must act now to prevent a tax increase for households earning less than $250,000. do that now, president obama said, and he and congress can work out the details of spending cuts later. ( applause ) before a crowd of supporters, the white house invited from the mid-atlantic region, president obama put congressional republicans on notice. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. now is the time for us to work on what we all agreed to, which is lets keep middle class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american peopl
that a democrat has won for re-election in the last 100 years. with the so-called fiscal cliff looming mr. obama sends chief negotiator treasury secretary tim gheiter for individual meetings with each member of the conditioningal leadership which includes speaker john boehner, perhaps the most important player here. the meetings mark the beginning of the real negotiations. that doesn't mean the posturing stage is behind us. one capitol hill veteran, former fdic, sheila bair, a long-time staffer by the way who butted heads with geithner in the past, made this interesting observation to david gregory about tim geithner saying he's not the right guy for the white house to be sending in for these talks. >> do you think tim geithner, secretary geithner is the right person to lead the negotiations for the administration sf. >> i don't know. i don't think this is tim's strong suit. i think tim was given the job of treasury secretary because he understood the banking system. he's not a budget guy. he's not a tax guy. he's never really worked in this sphere. >> geithner is leading these talks for two rea
of democrats on the hill felt that in the past president obama has negotiated with himself rather than forced the republicans to come forward with their own deal, and republicans have yet to come forward with a deal. martha: that's a fair point. >> what the president's staff said yesterday, was, you know the president has already had a trillion dollars in cuts made under his terms. he wants to see from the republicans if they are willing to do something significant in terms of those revenue increases. we had the broad outlines of a possible deal, because what speaker of the house john boehner said he wants in the neighborhood of 400 billion. obama is asking for 1.6 trillion. you can see somewhere in the middle as a possible negotiating or compromise point. >> we should remind everybody the president has been talking about entitlement reform for four years. "the washington post" reminded them this might ab good time to lead because you're the president. martha: it feels like there is a real opportunity here for some history-making leadership and we'll see if we get it. thank you so much. mary
tries new negotiation tack. not giving in. the headline in the baltimore business journal screams obama's fiscal cliff offer spurned by republicans. obama takes hard line on debt. which might be news to some people in the parenthetical. tony is a political correspondent and mark hannah is a former aide to the john kerry and barack obama presidential campaigns. some of the media tries to short form the story and comes up with a headline that can be barbed easily. this is suggested by a cable anchor who suggested the media has been arrogant since barack obama won in covering him and in covering in particular this fiscal cliff. tony, your thoughts. >> it could only be an msnbc anchor to take this long to figure out. there have been some media, the financial times which endorsed the president has called the president's bluff on this plan. they say this is the same proposal he put in front of congress that received zero votes a year ago, not even one democratic vote. but what the media has been doing is buying into this story line that president obama has some sort of mandate to do whatever
hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmaker. i suspect that, from folks that i've talked to, eric cantor will not be a thorn in boehner's side. eric cantor realizes he has time, niece his 40s, he wants to be the first jewish speaker of the house. sit back, relax, you know what? if boehner becomes unpopular you don't have to lead a charge against him. you can say, well, that's too bad, john, you don't have the support. but he doesn't have to do anything, he can sit back. >> on positive way, it's not mitt romney's loss as obama's win which has helped him. they're bedfellows now. they've have to negotiate from a different perspective. >> what's shocked me there's this
the way they're actually negotiating. you know, i will remind you, during the obama care negotiations and back and forth between congress and the president, it was a pretty fascinating thing to air when the president sat down with congress and had his exchange with paul ryan over the intricacies of obama care. it was useful. this could be useful as well. >> i actually agree with will, l.z. i think it would be a real education for people. >> for what people? us. we're the ones that are into this kind of stuff. the american people, they're not. think about the number of people who still think president obama was not born in this country. think about the number of people who believe that president obama is not a christian despite the amount of information we tell them over and over again. they still hold on to their partisan values and thoughts. that's why i don't think this will be productive. because it doesn't really matter how much facts you give people. they're going to believe what they want to believe. >> i just saw the movie "lincoln." that gave me more faith in america. >> i saw
obama and treasury secretary to make his case while the president himself negotiators his kay way through 18 holes and a black tie bash. speaker boehner sums up with where things are with the word of the week, nowhere. a big fight brewing over republicans ratifying a u.n. treaty to help people with disabilities that's based on a u.s. law signed by a republican president. find out how a republican attorney general plan to overcome the opposition. >> president obama pile on praise that sounds like anything but. a farewell for hillary clinton. i'm fighting a fiscal cough, so pardon that. if it's always darkest. it's clear the white house-re house-republican leaders, both sides appear to be very far apart, saluting kennedy center honorees from dustin hoffman to led zeppelin and hitting the golf links with former president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treasury
and tax increases, if negotiations break down. both sides of the aisle are going straight to the public in order to plead their case or tell us why the other side is to blame. this is president obama a in his weekly radio address. >> both parties say we should keep middle class taxes low. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans on board, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress send it my way. but, it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the wealthiest americans. >> in the republican response, senator orrin hatch takes that hostage metaphor one step further and brings to mind a memorable movie scene. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are advocating a disastrous thelma and louise strategy that would take us over the cliff putting families and small businesses and weak economy in further jeopardy. >> negotiations wil
's up to the republicans. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama and the house speaker spoke for a short time yesterday. nobody knows exactly what they said. and president obama is going to talk to a family in virginia, sort of a deal to get -- why don't both sides go to camp david, lock themselves behind closed doors and come up with a deal? why a pr stunt, visiting voters when that's not going to get a deal done with republicans. >> i certainly would welcome that. i think most americans would. i think what the white house is doing -- and i think it's smart -- making sure that this conversation stays where it should be, with the middle class. the white house has been raising this point. they have this #my2k, explaining to republicans and the country, we can't afford for $2,000 more to hit our tax bill. it's important for the american people to stay engaged and the white house has to keep the american people engaged and this family will be speaking for a lot of people. it doesn't make any sense, even the polls show that the wealthy are willing to pay more taxes.
for going to pennsylvania. obama has no real role to play in these negotiations at this point -- >> the a nall sis you read, it comes down to john boehner and president obama. i will reed an excerpt from pegeny noonan in the "wall street journal" would disagree with melissa this is not the old-school politic s yore. beggy writes -- when fire logs burned without fire starters and apple pies were baked in everybody's home. >> not sold in costco. >> if only everything could be like ronald reagan. >> and tip o'neill. >> the thing is, and i think it is true that -- i know peggy noonan likes the grand er and everything grand, but the senate isn't so relevant. this being a budget and tax bill they can do reconciliation. this is a house problem. the difference is that tip o'neill actually had influence with his caucus. john boehner has precious influence with the part of his caucus the most recalcitrant on these issues. in the current lame duck congress john boehner still has the same problem, resistant people who will not go along with a deal so the question is, whether or not he ca
. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no way at all, and beyond that while they might have some agreement on other issues, those remain the sticking points. i did hear from an administration official a short time ago who told me no update whatsoever when i asked whether or not there would be some counteroffer, i guess, the counteroffer from republicans. so that remains the big sticking point, and it appears that until there's some movement on that, there really won't be an agreement. >> and before you go, i understand speaker boehner and the president were at a holiday reception and, well, what happened? >> well, you know, as you know what happe
it for president obama because they want the negotiations to found. howard dean said this is the best deal progressive democrats are going to get. if the fiscal cliff and the deal and what happens if we go off of the cliff. it really is a dnplatform. higher taxs and defense spending and isn't that what their platform said. they want to go off of the fiscal cliff. then negotiations fail president obama will not get blamed. it is someone else. >> gretchen: marjorie that sounds right other than the middle class getting hit with a tax hike isn't everything that ron just part of the dnc. >> it is it a big issue. president obama and really american people don't want to see middle class americans pay additional 2000 in taxes n which is what will happen in addition to cuts to programs . we want to cut and the american people want to see cut. there is it a few things. first more americans would blame the republicans and not president obama if we went off of the fiscal cliff. that is a motivation. >> brian: yeah. >> gretchen: ron, why do they feel that way? >> brian:ip totally agree with you. lookin
. jon: republicans responding to president obama's opening bid in the fiscal cliff negotiations, what one senior g.o.p. source on capitol hill told fox news and what it could mean for the economy and your paycheck. plus, palestinians take to the streets after a historic vote at the u.n., new reaction from the middle east in a live report next. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. jenna: just in, new reaction in the middle east now to what happened yesterday. here is what it looked like in the west bank last night and in gaza as well. this is the type of video we saw in reaction to the u.n.'s vote granting palestinians nonmember observer state status. so that is the reaction there. there is certainly reaction out of israel as well. reaction from the united states. david lee miller is live in jerusalem with the latest on what this all means. david lee? >> reporter: jenna, hours after the controversi
narrative of punishing success. what role is mitch mcconnell going to serve in these negotiations at all? >> he'll play a very key role. although you really have to keep in mind the final deal is really going to be struck between president obama and speaker boehner. and those are really the two people to watch. and their staffs right now. of course, mitch mcconnell will play a key role in bringing around senate republicans, excuse me. but it's really between the house republicans and the white house at this point. you know, we have to watch and see what they do. i think there's a lot of public posturing. but i do think that all these people have been at this table before. they're very familiar with the contours of what they will agree to from the debt ceiling negotiations. and so it's really just a matter of getting closer and closer to that deadline, having the markets start to freak out and then realizing that they have to come up with something. >> seems like there's a lot of public theater going on with this one. >> quickly on michael's point, if the mandates for compromise, accusing
made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when i was
. >>> president obama made the opening bid in the fiscal cliff negotiation sending his plan to capitol hill on thursday. $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and $50 billion in new spending. but house republicans, surprise-surprise, say democrats aren't being serious. >> the president has warned us about the dangers of going over the fiscal cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, associate editor and columnist for the hill amy stoddard, danielle gibbs, and columnist for bloomberg view and national review and one of the funnier people on twitter and he did not pay me to say that but i will start with you. so we kind of feel like we're back to square one. should republicans having seen them lose the presidency by a wider margin than many people thought lose seats in the senate which i don't think almost anybody -- unless you're a loyal democrat thought, and lose seats, though, to keep control of the house three and a half weeks ago. should they be more w
party could do what they want to alone, like the first two years that obama was president, we got obama care and other pieces of legislation. i think people want well thought out negotiated bipartisan solutions to the problem. you don't get that when the president has no plan to close that hole and to deal with medicare and social. and he spends his time not around the negotiating table, but rather conducting rallys outside of town. i just think he's not serious about this. >> the president has said he would support raising the age for medicare coverage for a ten-year period. >> he has said a lot of things at different times, but he has not placed those on the table. we have leading senators like senator durbin who has the courage to deal with these issues. he was on the simpson-bowles committee who said that we can't deal with those now in the dealing with the fiscal cliff, we need to put that off into the future. my experience is what you put off to the future never happen here. >> i hope we can get a deal. >>> me too. >>. >>> great to see both of you. john let me start with you. corn
israel opposed it. because, mrs. clinton has said a few times, they have to negotiate. and not use new york platform instead of negotiation. however, alex, they're not negotiating, and they're going to need the obama administration to push them into it. >> is this a game changer in the mideast? how does this affect things, this new u.n. status? >> i'm not sure it's a game changer. because the palestinians still don't have their own country, and their own borders, and their own security and so forth. >> but the fact that they're identified as a state now. i mean, we constantly talk about a two-state solution. >> right. >> living side by side in peace. the u.n. says granted they're nonvoting, they're observer, but they are a state. >> exactly. >> i mean is that, that whole number of votes that supported that. doesn't it make a huge statement? >> it makes a statement symbolically, because they're not really a state in practice, because they don't really control every inch of their territory for obvious reasons. but, it's -- it makes a difference for them, because they feel then they can n
. but at some point, president obama will have to come into the negotiations and get involved himself. >> that meeting is not set yet. jake tapper, thanks very much. >>> george, now, to the potentially lethal carbon monoxide leak at an atlanta elementary school. >> hubie: 50 teachers and students were sent to the hospital monday. firefighters discovered the unsafe conditions. and now, parents are asking, why the school reportedly had no carbon monoxide detectors located inside. steve osunsami has the story. >> reporter: it was a shocking scene, played out on live television. >> i saw kids passing out. i saw them shivering. i saw some kids just moving around like they were dizzy. >> reporter: dozens of children at this atlanta grade school monday, falling out from high levels of carbon monoxide poisoning. needs gas masks to breathe. being wheeled out on stretchers. >> fainting, dizziness, headache and nausea were the four symptoms. >> reporter: firefighters were carrying sick children. >> there's kids laying on the floor. at least three. and the teacher are saying, this town needs help
hum humorous, but you do wonder about the dynamics behind the scenes. >> president obama is right in the short term. right now it's the postures pr phase of the entire negotiations, but we're probably going to see the negotiations start in ernest around middle september, close to the christmas holiday season. at that point i wouldn't be surprised if president obama, john boehner, and other key folks are actually locked up somewhere in maybe camp david, maybe at the white house. that's when the big talks will start. not now but in the next couple of weeks. >> back to the power move as it's described by speaker boehner. who are the strongest allies. we've seen paul ryan all but vanish here other than when we put the picture up on the committee and who is on it. who are the allies supporting speaker boehner that are team players? >> there was a criticism in the suspicion about a year ago that even some of john boehner's top deputies weren't always on board. that came about during the debt ceiling debate of 2011 where there was a lot of suspicion where eric cantor the house majority l
talk shows but not at the negotiating table. >> reporter: it's been 16 days since president obama and congressional leaders met to talk about how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the automatic spending cuts and tack increases that begin to kick in if there's no agreement by january 1st. 16 days to get here. >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> reporter: thursday treasury secretary timothy geithner proposed president obama's plan which included $1.6 trillion in tax revenue coming largely from an expiration of bush era tax cuts for families who make more than $250,000 a year. geithner says that's a must. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> reporter: the administration's plan also included $50 billion in new stimulus spending. boehner says the entire proposal represented three weeks of wasted time. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> reporter: the house speaker says republicans have put increased revenues, including efforts
in motion by the same two people who are negotiating this deal. president obama and speaker boehner. >> i had the opportunity to ask secretary geithner in may in a hearing in the financial services committee in the house if he could name a state. we have 50 states. if he could name one state that had higher economic growth than a state that had lower taxes and less regulation. he could not name a state. yet what he's proposing is higher taxes and more regulation. that's what this administration has done over the past four years. we have two massive laws that are breaks on the economy. 2010 health law. affordable care act. well intentioned but -- >> will republicans raise taxes? there's two chess movesky s ki see as a lowly voter. >> i won't. but this is -- this is where leadership counts. and so speaker boehner needs to work with the conference to find republicans that are willing to go along with that. >> are you going to raise taxes? >> look, it depends on what you mean by raising taxes. >> on the top 2% of the wealthy people, you say you pay instead of 35%, we're going to put you at 37
. >> the answer's no. the thing obama couldn't get last time and can get this time is more revenue even if congress refuses to ask. we go over the fiscal cliff rates reset under bill clinton and you're negotiating a tax cut not a tax increase. other thing the way weight of public opinion since that level has moved strongly against republicans. look who the public says they're going to blame if we go over the cliff, it's republicans because they see them as having forced the issue last time around, been willing to do this this time around. one reason boehner is grumbly and nervous because he doesn't have any leverage. >> i want to point this out. this is interesting in terms of the smoke and mirrors how this will play out for the republicans. in the "wall street journal" they write obama's flexible on highest tax rates. white house's flexibility, described by bowls, confirmed by the administration officials, could envision tax rates -- tax rate increase from the current level but was less than clinton era levels. if the republicans can say, we cut taxes from where they were under clinton
negotiations appear to be at a standstill, we know president obama and house speaker john boehner finally spoke by phone yesterday. the first conversation in a week. we don't know what they talked about or how long they spoke, because both men agreed to keep details of the conversation between the two of them. meanti meantime, democrats are digging in heels saying no deem if republicans refuse to let go of tax cuts for the wealthy. >> it's really time for republicans to face reality. i would hope the house of representatives would look closely at what's going on with senators coming out saying please, mr. speaker, do something about protecting the middle class. >>
not be out the road campaigning but back here in washington negotiating. >> dan, i will ask you to look into your crystal ball. president obama is meeting with mitt romney later today. do you have any idea what they plan to discuss? >> you know, there's a lot of speculation about governor romney playing a role in the administration. but the president himself, during his victory speech after he was re-elected talked about wanting to sit down with mitt romney to talk about ways of moving the country forward. during his post re-election news conference, the president was asked about what roles he could play or if -- what the president hoped to gain from him. the president talked about how mitt romney did a good job with the olympics, and he thought in turning around the olympics, some of that could be used to streamline government and make it more user friendly. that's what we expect for the president to be discussing with mitt romney when they sit down today for lunch at the white house. of course everyone is speculating about some possible role he could play in this white house. it's int
this early battle unfolds. if mr. obama can cement a bipartisan deal to his liking many believe his approach to the negotiations could serve as template for tackling major issues that could play out over the next four years. yet for many other democrats, especially those in the party's liberal wing, any sense he capitulated could signal he can be rolled by republicans. let's get into a fair and balanced debate. matt sclhapp worked for president george w. bush. and debbie dingell, vice-chair of al gore's campaign in michigan in 2000. debbie, let's start with you. john boehner, speaker of the house, came out the day after the election and said okay we'll put revenues on the table. we will raise taxes but want to do it by limiting deductions. we don't want to raise rates. no real response on that from the president's team. isn't that kind of an olive branch? >> look, i think that democrats and republicans at a senior level understand we can knot go over the fiscal cliff. i think there's a lot of positioning, a lot of posturing. quite frankly sunday talk shows may have even made me a little edgy
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. the negotiations on that fiscal cliff, now just 32 days away. and, today, the top republican in the country, house speaker john boehner, declared a stalemate, while president obama warned that republicans must accept higher taxes on the rich or watch everyone get a tax hike. >> that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> so, what is next? george stephanopoulos is going to sit down with the treasury secretary tim geithner for a reality check on these negotiations, this sunday on "this week." >>> and we head overseas now to israel, and the provocative new announcement there. officials in israel saying they will build 3,000 new israeli homes in jerusalem. the palestinians condemned the announcement. it comes on the heels of that historic vote by the united nations, making palestine an observer state, over the objections of israel and the u.s. >>> and nearby in egypt, tahrir square again filling up with protesters, more than 100,000 at times today, chanting against their president, mohamed morsi, claiming he jammed through a draft of a new constitution, w
systems to turkey and echoed president obama's warning of military action if syria were to use chemical weapons. joining me is former peace negotiator aaron david miller, vice president for the new initiatives at the woodrow wilson center. thanks very much. first of all the pentagon is saying that there is no evidence that they've actually taken steps, but they made some moves according to american intelligence and other intelligence agencies that were worrying an these warnings came from hillary clinton, from president obama, and now from n nato. what do we make of this and also the fact that russia has been helpful according to the white house, very helpful, be in trying to persuade syria that this is a red line syria should not cross? >> the noose is tightening. the russians understand the arc on assad is moving south quickly. the turks have finally requested at least defensive patriot batteries, probably patriot batteries designed to deal with missiles rather than aircraft. should they be anti-aircraft patriots you could see an offensive capacity and capability. the rebels in syria
obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a
movement on the cutting of spending either. peter: president obama and john boehner in front of cameras to make their cases in the battle over the fiscal cliff. the speaker said he is willing to move forward with negotiations in good faith after republicans rejected the president's first formal offer yesterday as being short on spending cuts, but it doesn't sound like anyone has put the brakes on the road to the coin. >> let's not kid ourselves. i am not trying to make this more difficult. i have been very guarded. i don't want to make it harder for me or the president or members of both parties to find common ground. >> this is not some run-of-the-mill debate, not about which political party can come out on top in negotiations and all of us get out of our comfort zones to make that happen. i am willing to do at and i am hopeful enough members of congress in both parties are willing to do that as well. >> the president's plan repeat his demand for $1.6 trillion over ten years on families making $250,000 a year and includes $400 billion in cuts, savings in medicare and medicaid and other
the fiscal cliff, almost every major negotiation and battle as come down to president obama and house speaker john boehner. do you think it helps or hurts that key lawmakers like yourself seem to be left out of this deal making? >> well, i'm in constant consultation with secretary geithner, with the white house, and meeting with congress, and the chairman of the house, meet with reed very off. there's a lot of conversations going on where i gave my views, and learn, and so there are more people involved. >> now this is really coming down to, as is no surprise, the issue of tax rates, will republicans agree to raising tax rates on the wealthy as president obama made clear. are you willing to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans do not agree that that? >> i think if there is no agreement whatsoever, the president has probably no choice but to say, okay, we're going to go over the cliff. that would no be my first preference. my first preference is that as we get closer to the cliff, that we find an agreement that makes some sense, so we don't have to go over it. if we don't go over,'re enteri
spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're wait fworg the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case,
's the right guy to be sitting in that room doing negotiating. >> they have tried the boehner/obama dynamic before. the lessons from that weren't universally positive. >> you have to keep at it. that's what the american people expect of everybody in washington to sit down and work together and work this thing out and not use other people to be your spokesperson and trying to work out negotiation. the president needs to be here in washington, d.c. in the conference room working out this problem. that's what he was elected to do. >> clearly he will be in pennsylvania and watching that as well. congressman, thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. >> congressman jim gerlach. >>> coming up next, rick santelli is champing at the bit today so we moved up santelli exchange an hour earlier. don't miss his take on costco. >> we have an exclusive interview with goldman sachs chief u.s. equity strategist david kostin. he thinks the market will rise 12% next year. he'll give you his five best investment ideas. stay with us. if you are one of the millions of men who have used
are saying this is just president obama campaigning. they're angry that he's off selling this proposal to the public instead of sitting down at the table with them and negotiating back in washington. it's a great shot, though, to watch marine one take off regardless of how you feel about it. dan lothian gets to watch it's a regular basis. >> reporter: i do. >> he's on the lawn right now. you did. he's off and running and a lot of people are angry about it, dan, saying it's not the time to sell it to the public. that's a tactic. but let's get to the nuts and bolts about it. $1.6 trillion in new taxes, it doesn't ever sit well, but there are versions of this, there are elements to it. break it down. >> reporter: right, $1.6 trillion new taxes in over 10 years and republicans saying they're surprised by this because they felt that what the president was putting out there was half of that, and just a short time ago josh ernest, a deputy white house spokesman in a gaggle of reporters that he's saying he's surprised that republicans are surprised. but i'll break it down for you, timothy geit
, that is, of course, the big question mark. i do believe, martin, there are negotiations going on behind the scenes that we can't see and that we're not getting all the details about. as you heard president obama mention in his first press conference, one of his goals in this second term is really to do a better job at reaching out to members of congress, could congressional leaders. we know he's been in contact with them for the past several days. we don't have any specific phone calls scheduled, but i am told they will continue throughout the weekend and in the coming days. ja let's hope so. thanks so much, kristin welker. >> reporter: thank you. >> we'll be right back. >> let's. thanks so much, kristin welker. >> reporter: thank you. >> we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. but it never hurts to see if you can find better coverage, save money, or both. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. ♪ open enrollment ends december 7t
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